Friday, March 7, 2008

20/20 Comments

Wow. I'm almost speechless. You?

45 comments:

Anonymous said...

I watched it with my husband. He wasn't familiar with the case or Kari or Matt and when the 911 call was heard and shown with the follow up with Matt saying he didn't see the note until it was handed to him, my husband said, "Did you hear that? That was the door to his cell clinking shut."

One can only hope.

Anonymous said...

How many lies did you catch him in during that story? I counted 3.

Anonymous said...

I now believe there really will be justice for Kari.

This piece presented a factual accounting, without seeming to lean one way or the other. The guy makes HIMSELF appear guilty. Even his lawyer appeared worried.

How can the D.A. fail to put this case before the Grand Jury? The time has come for that to happen.

Anonymous said...

Wow! That's all I can really say at this point.

And to see the pictures of Kari with her children just shows everyone what an amazing woman, mother, friend, daughter, and even wife she was!

She is so missed!

Anonymous said...

Matt had many discrepancies in his story. But the biggest discrepancy was the junk the Aunt said about "we got him" because apparently there were some phone calls to a female friend. Also, he, his daughters and the FRIEND went to look at EARRINGS!!! It is like they are implying he committed this “murder” for her this part confused me. This story has a lot of discrepancies from Matt to Kari's Family. Hopefully all the truth will come out in court, if a Grand Jury finds enough evidence.

Anonymous said...

I had never heard of this story until I saw the 20/20 show tonight. I am not a regular viewer of that program. I was just laying in the bed with the t.v. on. For some reason, when the story begin, I could not turn the t.v. I am so sorry for her children and her family. I am a mother of 3 and I can't imagine having my kids think I didn't love them enough to stay with them! I am sure she was sad about losing a child, but a mothers love is so strong. I know that she loved her remaining kids enough to BE THERE for them. I don't want to judge, and I don't know them, but after watching that interview there is NO WAY that any person with common sense can think that she took her own life. None of that made any sense. I hope that the truth comes out, the person responsible pays, and her children know that their mommy loved them so much and would never, ever leave them on purpose. Peace and blessings to all that knew and loved Kari Baker.

Anonymous said...

In the 20/20 article they didn't even tell the most damning evidence against him, in my mind, and that is that the property tags on his work computer were changed. He has a story for that now that he did the "death by sleeping pill" search to try to protect her from hurting herself. What a bunch of baloney!

juanita said...

Ok 20/20 got me digging on blogs. I just read all of the blogs here and on TM. Since the "griping" is the same on both blogs and they stopped the blog on TM. I just have to say this to the March 3rd blogs on TM (since you are reading this).
The relationship with the female friend was platonic. So he DID NOT bring a date to his daughters' school 2 months after Kari’s’ unfortunate death. It is not fair to bring in some innocent bystander and her child. She had nothing to do with this "murder" or "suicide".
I honor her strength to stay out of this lime light. Because she is a great mother and yes a friend of mine. I do not appreciate any comments or allegations made about her. You should all be ashamed. What has this world come to where you can’t even comfort your friends in their time of need? Then it just gets twisted as if they had a relationship.

Anonymous said...

I didn't know Kari, But my heart goes out to her parents and family.I'm amazed at how many things he couldn't keep straight in his story.If he didn't think she was suicidal as he said early in the interview why would he google death by sleeping pills. He didn't find the suicide note the police did, but he mentions the note in his 911 call. And I don't get the calmness of his 911 call, or dressing her before trying to save her. Her modesty is more important than her life??
His whole story rings very false to me.The timeline all of it.
I feel for her family and friends but mostly I feel for her children. I pray for justice and peace for all of you.

K
in Oregon

Anonymous said...

I tuned in to 20/20 tonight to catch the story on the sex offender segment and ended up with my jaw hanging after the Baker interview. Tonight was my first exposure to this case and a quick Google search pointed me to this site.

I listened as the recording of Matt Baker's 911 call started to play, and before he completed his first statement, my mind was made up that he was guilty. The emotionless, toneless and so 'matter-of-factness' of Matt's statement that he believed Kari had committed suicide made me wish I could reach through the television screen and throttle the man.

With the history of complaints from women, shopping for an engagement ring and giving away Kari's cell phone just days after her death galled me to inexpressible disgust and anger.

A beautiful person, a beautiful life - taken... the lives of her children affected forever...

I am not a praying woman, but I will do so for Kari's family... and the other side of me wishes for Matt to meet me in a back alley for just a few minutes alone.

Justice for Kari - thanks for putting this website up to honor Kari. I truly hope the court that tries Matt will honor Kari as much.

juanita said...

I do hope there is justice for Kari. If MB did harm her he should pay. But March 8, 5:23, I would ask that you not state any slanderst things about the female friend. They were not shopping for engagement rings.

Carole said...

As Juanita says, the relationship between Matt and the female friend may very well have been platonic. However, didn't either of them stop to think of appearances--this is basic common sense and taught in "preacher school"--don't set yourself up to APPEAR you are doing something immoral/questionable/whatever. Maybe he wasn't sexually involved with Juanita's friend but there are just too many holes in his story for him to come off as believable. His voice on the 911 call sounds like he's bored--and saying that he thinks his wife committed suicide--oh, really??? It just sounded completely scripted...so planned out! AND if he had been truly worried about her use of sleeping aids why hadn't he sought help from friends and family??? There were by all accounts many people around who would have been willing to help. I'll tell you why he didn't tell anyone...it wasn't true and he wasn't worried one whit about her.

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry! But this "female friend," Vanessa, is at fault. There is no need to hide her identity. And I will blame her along with Matt for the rest of my life for the death of Kari! Her and Matt were in a relationship. She can deny it all she wants since her life is so great right now and she's moved on and doesn't want to be viewed as the "other" woman. But I think it would make her look a lot better to come forward and recognize that her and Matt were having a relationship. Just a thought...So if you don't want to hear negative comments about your friend, then don't read the comments. There has been plenty of slander on Kari, and she is no longer here to defend herself. That's pretty sick!

Anonymous said...

Well, maybe the female friend doesn't realize who heard what and who saw what during those months. I'm sure she's scared wondering what will pop up when. She should come forward now with everything she knows. It will be better for her.

juanita said...

Like I said, If Matt hurt his wife he should be punished. I do agree there are holes in his statements. I just know my friend and have known her for years. I find it sick that people would construe that she was one of the reasons for Kari's death. I fell sorry for Kari's family for their loss. I understand that they are angry. But to put blame on someone who was just there as a friend and to help with the girls. Vanessa has a huge HEART and if ANYONE of you truly knew her you would know she was just helping someone in need. I was not trying to hide her name since TM made it public without her permission. I am just here to defend my friend. I have read all the blogs about her and I just think they are just mean and hurtful. If Vanessa would of been a man would anyone think differently??

juanita said...

8:36 Why are you anonymous? You appear to for not hiding since you stated, "There is no need to hide her identity."
Also, it is not because she doesn't realize it is because there is nothing to realize about. I do agree it is sick to slander Kari, since she can't defend herself. Vanessa has too much class to stoop to your level but I don't you guys are just a rumor mill.

Anonymous said...

I'm not suggesting she had anything to do with the murder. But I do know the relationship wasn't platonic. At best, she has just shown very poor judgement. At worst, she saw or heard Matt slip up and she hightailed it and doesn't want to look back. I feel for her.

Kari's mom said...

Juanita, Vanessa is a fortunate person indeed to have a friend like you. I agree that only one person is responsible for my daughter's death. I don't want to see more people hurt. I seek justice....and I pray for my granddaughters.

Shannon, your blog continues to bless me. Thank you. I read it regularly.
Linda

Anonymous said...

It is courageous that Vanessa's friends want to defend her honor. Maybe they are correct; maybe she and Matt had not progressed to actual adultery. The single thing that is unequivocal is this: Only she and Matt know how far they went. Not her friends and defenders, well-intentioned though they may be.

Of course she wants to protect her reputation--and Matt wants to save his neck. Understandable.

IF there is something to the rumors, I am guessing the prosecution has more than "hearsay." Vanessa will be well-advised to speak truthfully about every aspect of her relationship with Baker, regardless of any possible damage to her integrity. Perjury could be alleged--and possibly proved--and the consequences are substantial.

Anonymous said...

So who caught this one....the interviewer asked Matt, "Could you do this?" His response, delayed, cool as a cucumber, "Absolutely." He continued with how he loved his wife and would not hurt her. However he said, "Absolutely." He didn't say absolutely not. I recorded it and I played it several times to be sure my husband and I heard it correctly. If anyone else recorded it, check it out!

Anonymous said...

After reading the script that is available on 20/20 site, I DO NOT find what you are talking about. Can you tell me which paragraph to look?

Elizabeth said...

I'm not speechless at all. A few words come to mind.

Lethal Injection...

Electric Chair....

and

"Meet Bubba Joe, you're new lifetime cellmate"

Anonymous said...

So many things I want to say here but not sure I should. I knew this family from a far. For weeks after Kari died I did not want to think her husband could have or would have killed her, but knowing her I could not believe she would kill herself. It just did not add up. It did not fit her. Then after witnessing and hearing about Matt's odd behavior, it was hard to think much else. Almost two years later I am more convinced than ever of two things BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT...

Kari did not intend to take her life.

Matt Baker cannot be trusted.

To those who are so sure Matt is innocent: how do you explain the inconsistencies in his stories? There are more than just the one pointed out on 20/20. An innocent man would not have reason to lie or to change his story.
And really how do you explain the four or five different women(and that is a very conservative estimate of the actual accusers), all of whom did not know about each other, accusing Matt of inappropriate sexual advances. None of them knew there had been other accusers. What are the odds that an innocent man would have all those different unrelated women making up similar stories about him. And if just one or two of those women are telling the truth, Matt cannot be telling the truth. If he would lie about what he said or did to those women, and then lie on 20/20 (and in other articles) about reading the note, (which he said he did read in the 911 call) how can anyone still believe him? He can not be trusted.
I hope that someone who can actually do something will not wait to see what this man might do to his two daughters... They deserve protection even if there is just the slightest chance that this man killed their Mom and was sexually inappropriate with other women.

God bless all those who have had their lives unwillingly swept up into this saga. May his peace be with you and his justice prevail.

stephanie said...

Amen Elizabeth!

Anonymous said...

"Vanessa" should have thought it was a little weird that a man would give her his dead wife's cell phone right after her "suicide". Then, to be glued to MB's side for the weeks to come??? Sure, I can understand her being there to help her friend out in his time of need and to help with the children, but come on...surely she should have known what people would think of her. And the part that he said on the 20/20 interview that they did not date without kids a pure lie!!!! I saw them with my own 2 eyes by themselves and so did plenty of other people!

Anonymous said...

Oh goodness. I haven't been reading here lately. I hope everyone involved is handling all this OK.

I suppose the frenzy has been brewing, and perhaps this is what needed to happen to get this case to court and the girls in a better situation.

I haven't been able to find a TM issue in Waco, are they all sold out?

Also, I missed the 20/20 episode and can't find it online. Is there a link?

Blessings to all of you, hang in there!

Anonymous said...

To the one who wants to know where it is in the script..it isn't there. On the 20/20 site, that is not a script of the show, just a written story. It just says he continues to deny having anything to do with it but the actual conversation is not there. I looked for it.

answerthis said...

Did anybody think the statements from the attorney were a little odd? He has been on his media tour saying there is nothing on Matt. Now, he says the relationship Matt had with "V" was troubling and this would be an uphill battle. What was that about?

Anonymous said...

I also recall Matt's attorney saying they have to "fight like hell." Sounds like he may not be too sure about this one. Just a thought. But I did find that odd that his own attorney would say those things.

Anonymous said...

Matt, take the 5th, quit talking. The gates are opening wider and wider...

Anonymous said...

I'm sure whatever Matt's attorney has said is calculated to somehow make Matt come out looking good. An attorney like that guy wouldn't say anything "off the cuff." I heard he took the case for free so he is going to do whatever to advance his reputation--this is free publicity/advertising for him. I don't know how he can sleep at night.

Anonymous said...

I have to say WOW to Kari's mom!! Out of all the comments here and yet Linda is the one to take a stand and not bash Vanessa! To make it a point to say she does not want anyone else hurt.

Can the rest of you not follow in her lead? Even after Linda's comment yall continued the bashing!! And Shannon you continue to allow it! You would think out of respect to Linda you would stop the bashing that you allow on this site! Or at least this entry of the blogs!
If she can be so respectful give it a rest!!!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 9:27 March 11, while I understand your point and I, too, think Linda's words were moving, the fact remains that there are questions surrounding the relationship with answers that don't add up. Those answers are a huge part of the puzzle and SHOULD be questioned. There is a huge difference between bashing and wondering why someone won't be more forthcoming with information. I am hoping it is simply because Vanessa is keeping that information for where it will hold the most power: court.

Shannon said...

How exactly was Vanessa "BASHED"?

Anonymous said...

shannon said:How exactly was Vanessa "BASHED"?

She wasn't. Actions were questioned and not answered.

Actions with reasons that don't cause remorse are usually answered easily and swiftly.

Anonymous said...

Well lets see Shannon and anonymous!! The first would be this post below....

I'm sorry! But this "female friend," Vanessa, is at fault. There is no need to hide her identity. And I will blame her along with Matt for the rest of my life for the death of Kari! Her and Matt were in a relationship. She can deny it all she wants since her life is so great right now and she's moved on and doesn't want to be viewed as the "other" woman. But I think it would make her look a lot better to come forward and recognize that her and Matt were having a relationship. Just a thought...So if you don't want to hear negative comments about your friend, then don't read the comments. There has been plenty of slander on Kari, and she is no longer here to defend herself. That's pretty sick!

March 8, 2008 8:26 AM

In case this was not enough here is another one Shannon....

I'm sorry! But this "female friend," Vanessa, is at fault. There is no need to hide her identity. And I will blame her along with Matt for the rest of my life for the death of Kari! Her and Matt were in a relationship. She can deny it all she wants since her life is so great right now and she's moved on and doesn't want to be viewed as the "other" woman. But I think it would make her look a lot better to come forward and recognize that her and Matt were having a relationship. Just a thought...So if you don't want to hear negative comments about your friend, then don't read the comments. There has been plenty of slander on Kari, and she is no longer here to defend herself. That's pretty sick!

March 8, 2008 8:26 AM

Is that enough Shannon or do you need more from other blog entries on your site?

Anonymous said...

To anonymous 9:47 March 11

You are right that there is a huge difference between bashing and questioning. However for you not see the bashing is absurd! Not just towards this other woman who everyone seems to know the facts about but towards Matt. Iagree that there is alot to be answered! I also believe that the bashing needs to stop!!!

Shannon said...

To Anonymous, March 7, 10:40pm:
Don't get all excited about what you call the "biggest discrepancy" in the 20/20 story being the Aunt saying, "We got him." There is a lot that was found out by that time for her and others to feel that way. It wasn't strictly the phone calls. You can't blame the Aunt for the way the interview was edited to flow.

Shannon said...

To Anonymous, March 16, 11:49pm:
First off unless I'm missing something, you C&P'd the same exact comment twice. By numbers, that 1 comment out of what was 35 comments at the time you sent this doesn't constitute "bashing." Secondly, I believe "bashing" to be completely unwarranted and unadulterated, mean-spirited continuous, untrue talk. And I still don't find that about V on these comments. The harshest thing said was someone's opinion about her sharing some fault in Kari's death. And then there were a handful of people saying they DON'T find her at fault for Kari's death...only Matt.

Also there were very few comments about her at all until a "friend" of hers and also Juanita started commenting about her. You can't count the responses to those comments as your "bashing." They wouldn't have been there to begin with.

Beth J. said...

Vanessa is no innocent in her relationship with Mr. Baker. You can dance around it all you want and try to be as politically correct as possible. In the end, this woman was not behaving appropriately with a married man (Yes, before Kari was murdered). And she knows this. Does that mean she had anything to do with Kari's death. NO!!!! MB stands alone on that one.

Now, MB is parading around on every television news magazine that will have him. He is granting interviews to every newpaper and magazine that will talk to him. If he is going to put his lies out there, he better be ready to be called on them. That isn't bashing. That is called refutation.

No one is making personal attacks about MB or his family. What I have read in the media and the comment sections of Texas Monthly and 20/20 is that people who have issues with MB, keep it to the case. However, people who support MB attack Kari and her family on a personal level that has nothing to do with the case. Now, that is what I call bashing. That is also what I call NO REAL DEFENSE. DESPERATION.

Think clearly here people. Use some logic.

Don't call me anonymous.
Beth J.

Carole said...

I have left a couple of anonymous comments on the site but will not do that again since some people seem to think Shannon is making all the entries.

I find it pathetic that some of you don't have better things to do than pick apart something you don't agree with in such a hateful manner.

I don't even know Shannon, nor do I know the Dulins, but you can tell from things written here that this site was created to honor Kari and why must you "bash" Shannon for doing what she feels led to do???

Go spew your venom someplace else if you don't like things written here.

Anonymous said...

I have read most of these postings, and I cannot see anyone bashing Shannon. Not sure what you are refering to.

Shannon said...

Notice Carole put "bash" in quotes.

Anonymous said...

I to have read all these comments and see no one bashing Shannon. Do I see bashing??? Absolutely! At Shannon, no!

Shannon said...

Read the comment just above yours. Carole put the word "bash" in quotes. That would denote that she's using the word loosely to conform with the conversation at hand.

I don't feel "bashed" here....it's more like someone fruitlessly trying to "call me out" and act like what I've allowed on my self-described "blog in support of justice for Kari" is unwarranted bashing of Matt and/or his girlfriend. It's not. It's like someone said up there a little bit, "Actions with reasons that don't cause remorse are usually answered easily and swiftly." The questions aren't truthfully answered....usually dodged completely. And they are brought up again. That's not "bashing." That's trying to get at the truth.

I don't feel "bashed." But I do feel someone is trying to make me feel back or guilty. Not working. I am strong in my convictions.